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| helpmaboab |
| Posted on: Thursday, March 24th, 2011, 10:30:28am |
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Hi, had my cappo for almost a year now  , m reg with 65 k on the clock with no rust. ( dry summer use only ) and thinking of tweeking for the summer. like the sound of the adaptronic as it means I can put the car back to original if i ever come to sell. ( and keep the adaptronic ) .
the shopping list for bits is of great help and I intend to base my mods around this .
however I am slightly concerned over damaging the engine . I have a couple of questions and any assistance is greatly appreciated .
1) with the adaptronic and kit what would be the expected bhp ?
2) in addition to the kit what other minimalistic changes ( without turbo ) can I make to add that wee bit more power .
3) any idea what the power limit is before having to change the pistons ?
4) is it recommended to use the higher octane fuel with adaptronic.
bear in mind for the above I dont want to change the reliability ( by much )
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| triplezaxel |
| Posted on: Friday, March 25th, 2011, 1:49:20pm |
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Hello,
In my opinion, if you don't want to modify the engine in the future, just buy an N1.
It's cheaper, easier and safer.
For example, it took us 1 hour to get the idle good.
I also blew up my engine around 1,05-1,1 bars in a few weeks with 300cc injectors @10,5 AFR. |
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| Ricou |
| Posted on: Friday, March 25th, 2011, 9:44:19pm |
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I agree with triplezaxel as I had to do the settings on his car 
1) Adaptronic alone doesn't give a lot more power. It adds torque in the middle rev range, but low down and up high it's almost the same as standard.
2) Remove catalyst and fit a bigger exhaust, increase boost to 1b. Maybe a better intake.
3) It's very hard to tell, people have been blowing they engine at various boost pressures.
I'd say between 90hp - 110hp. Depends on how healthy your engine is, how you use it...
4)Yes, low octane fuel might cause knocking, which is very bad for your engine. |
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| helpmaboab |
| Posted on: Monday, March 28th, 2011, 4:42:29pm |
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guys many thanks for teh info ,
definately helped , recon Ill go for the N1 and see how it is with the exhaust i have ,
( already has a lorini fitted, will check if its cat back. ).
I recall seeing cappo sport doing a trade in for N1 for around the 300 mark.
would you guys recommend going with different plugs to suit ? cheers again
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Monday, March 28th, 2011, 7:43:52pm |
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| You won't find an N1 for that price any more. The best place to get them is either 2nd hand from Japan. Soldave keeps an eye out for them. The other option is to get a new one from Monster Sport. Monster Sport Europe or Monster Sport Japan via Streeter would be the way to go there. |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Monday, March 28th, 2011, 7:46:34pm |
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| Oh and the sparkplug to change to is the NGK DCPR8EIX |
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| helpmaboab |
| Posted on: Tuesday, March 29th, 2011, 8:29:47am |
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Many thanks for the advise . time to start hunting .
regards
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| helpmaboab |
| Posted on: Thursday, March 31st, 2011, 6:12:23pm |
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had a look on the monster europe web site and the F100M Kit looks inviting .
F100-M Turbo kit 185520-2810M 150,000 yen For EA11R, Trade in price .
Admitedly there will be a risk with not changing the pistons , but think I may give it a go
together with a new timing belt ( dont know when it was last changed. )
I see reading paulo's messages that he has this with the larger intercooler. ( F111)
without an engine re-build !
does the intercooler make much of a difference to the reliability and risk of blowing the engine ?
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| Ricou |
| Posted on: Thursday, March 31st, 2011, 8:53:52pm |
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| It can't be bad as it cools the air going in the engine and cooler air = less risk of knocking as well as more power. |
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| paolo |
| Posted on: Thursday, March 31st, 2011, 9:28:28pm |
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| Done around three thousand miles with F111 kit and engine has not blown up yet! I do have a 1.4mm metal head gasket as well though. I am running on standard boost but that is around 1.1 bar with the bigger turbo. |
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| helpmaboab |
| Posted on: Friday, April 1st, 2011, 8:58:06am |
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thanks again guys , this is most helpful , learning alot .
sounds like a worthwhile investment if im spending the cash on teh f100 .
also looking at the availability wont have any issues if i sell it at a later date .
but going by the posts - dont think Id want to .
cheers
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| ycming |
| Posted on: Tuesday, April 5th, 2011, 3:12:27pm |
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Just read this thread, this is something I want to do as well. the F100-M kit.
Is the metal gasket part of the F111 kit ? Do they recommend you to change it?
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| Ricou |
| Posted on: Tuesday, April 5th, 2011, 3:22:35pm |
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| It's not part of the kit, and I don't know if they recommend to change it but it would be a good idea for sure. |
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| helpmaboab |
| Posted on: Tuesday, April 5th, 2011, 4:00:33pm |
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Ming,
Hi , on your post .
"Just read this thread, this is something I want to do as well. the F100-M kit.
Is the metal gasket part of the F111 kit ? Do they recommend you to change it?
Thanks
Ming
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I have been reading up on club cappo site to see what the best option for me to upgrade my cappo performance.
I have ended up looking at the , N1 , N2 With injectors , F100-M and f111-M kits as well as bastardising the system with an adaptronic etc.
Note :- I am by no means literate on this just looking at other peoples experiences , I am looking to get similar kit to PAULO ( U Will see lots of his posts on the subject )
I am hesitant to push the BHP to the level where I require a new engine - which has happened to a few on this site.
Anything near or above 90 BHP seems to be borderline - dependent on the engine condition .
The F100-M and the F111M kits push the BHP above this . Paulo has the F111M kit ( same as F100M kit but with new bigger intercooler ). In addition to this he has
Also changed the head gasket to 1.4 mm to reduce compression a bit . His engine is still going after 3,000 miles with the changes which is why I am keen to follow his lead.
Paulo , can you take the gasket out return to std to see if your engine blows please, lol. ?
I was considering the F100-M ( Without larger intercooler ) but have decided to spend the extra cash and get teh intercooler as well . might help the reliability ( not sure )
How close are you to making the call as Im very close to ordering and we might get some cash off for ordering 2 systems ?
Ill send u an e-mail to your referenced hotmail address so you can keep me posted .
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| Streeter |
| Posted on: Tuesday, April 5th, 2011, 4:01:04pm |
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had a look on the monster europe web site and the F100M Kit looks inviting .
F100-M Turbo kit 185520-2810M 150,000 yen For EA11R, Trade in price .
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is that the actual price? if so I can knock nearly 20k yen off that... just saying.
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| ycming |
| Posted on: Tuesday, April 5th, 2011, 9:43:51pm |
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Streeter, that is a decent price that!
helpmaboab, will you be fitting the kit yourself?
I would probably need to wait 2 months before i can get the money together!
Thanks
Ming |
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| Streeter |
| Posted on: Wednesday, April 6th, 2011, 2:47:12am |
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I fit my f100m kit last weekend. I cant say it was the most pleasant of jobs. no room to get to most bolts so it took a heap longer than I thought it would.
Kit had everything to bolt on, even new water lines for the turbo as the old ones crack/perish and are normally stuffed when you take them off.
So I was very happy with the kit but not so pleased with Suzukis engineering when it came to swapping the turbo :p
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| paolo |
| Posted on: Wednesday, April 6th, 2011, 8:43:25am |
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Paulo , can you take the gasket out return to std to see if your engine blows please, lol. ?
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Sure, I'll do it during my lunch break 
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| paolo |
| Posted on: Wednesday, April 6th, 2011, 8:46:29am |
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Paulo has the F111M kit ( same as F100M kit but with new bigger intercooler ).
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Just to make it clear, I have the F111 kit NOT the F111M. The only difference being I have the older squirty injectors instead of the spraying injectors that you would get on the "M" kit.
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| helpmaboab |
| Posted on: Wednesday, April 6th, 2011, 9:28:38am |
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cheers for clarifying Paulo .
what an excellent thread for me , thanks all
Streeter , it is myself that is e-mailing you just now for the F111M kit ( alan coffin )
and your price for this kit is also good
Ming I am unsure at mo whether to fit myself . mainly due to the bolts issue and access
I am capable but im sure a garage will do it in half the time that I can ( or less )
and I have a trustworthy local garage which charges £25 an hour labour. plus planning to do the cam belt at the same time.
Im still of the opinion to fit the larger intercooler and do best attempt at not blowing the pots. I would kick myself if I did and hadnt gone with the larger intercooler ( assuming it makes a bit of a difference )
note :- also considering teh suzuki sport cam belt .
paulo - let me know how u get on lunch time , incidentally have you fitted a different radiator cap or something ? recall seeing it in a post somewhere ?
cheers
alan c
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| paolo |
| Posted on: Wednesday, April 6th, 2011, 10:42:57am |
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I do have the Suzuki Sport radiator cap, to be perfectly honest I bought more it because looks cool rather than it's high pressure capabilties!
I also have the Suzuki/Mosnter sport low temp thermostat and the upgraded timing belt. If you are going to change the cam belt then the upgraded version would be a good idea with the amount of extra power you will be generating the the F111M kit.
Of course, non of the above additions will 100% guarantee your engine not self destructing! |
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| ycming |
| Posted on: Wednesday, April 6th, 2011, 11:07:40am |
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I'd fit an oil cooler as well when i do mine .
I think i will fit these myself, could it not just remove the mani with th turbo out in ione unit, change turbo over and refit in one go ?
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| paolo |
| Posted on: Wednesday, April 6th, 2011, 1:46:24pm |
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If anyone is interested there is currently a seller on ebay listing the Suzuki Sport low temp thermostat for £45.45 delivered in the UK, which is not a bad price at all.
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| Ricou |
| Posted on: Wednesday, April 6th, 2011, 5:24:58pm |
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| Thanks for the link Paolo, I'm buying it |
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| cappi |
| Posted on: Tuesday, April 12th, 2011, 4:48:58pm |
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I have not posted much onhere but have found it really useful. We are currently doing a full bare metal rebuild on my other halfs car and I was left to play with the oily bits!!
Having tried to use a leading retailer who shall remain nameless ( Crappi Sport ) and been stung for nearly seven hundred quid that took me three months and legal action to recover I turned elsewhere for parts.
Monster Sport Japan and Monster Sport Europe were brilliant. The guys in Japan supplied the F100M kit and a few other goodies which was the first in the country I beleive but not first on the road as a result of all the other work ! Monster Sport Europe ( Andrew ) organised Goodridge brake lines at £50 and can provide them for anybody on here on request.
Fairfax motorsport are getting a lot of flak at present it seems due to orders that appear to be through them not being delivered due to a certain supplier above.
Fairfax will supply direct as a result of the bad experience they are having and teh effect on their reputation and again I can vouch for how good their products are ( radiator and intercooler )
Finally Levois Suzuki as advised by people on here are first rate. !! My local dealer even asked me what fuel a Cappuccino ran on and how many seats it had ( walk away laughing )
The reason for us deciding to spend a not inconsiderable sum is that there is simply nothing out there that would give us as much of a smile as the Cappuccino did and everyone we have dealt with aprt form the aforementioned has been nothing but helpful. People on here are great even when taking the michael out of each other as there is no real malice jsut a bit of a laugh.
We cant wait to get our F100M and a half back just got welding, painting , refitting, trimming, wiring, etc , etc ,etc to do Sure it will be ready in time for winter !! |
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| ycming |
| Posted on: Wednesday, April 13th, 2011, 9:37:47am |
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Hmmm how much did the raditor and intercooler cost ya ? IS it just standard item ?
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| paolo |
| Posted on: Wednesday, April 13th, 2011, 3:03:30pm |
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Hmmm how much did the raditor and intercooler cost ya ? IS it just standard item ?
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I suspect that they were very much non-standard as Fairfax used to Fabricate huge intercoolers and upgraded radiators for Capposport before they went tits-up.
BTW I have spoken to fairfax about servicing my Cappo and they are quite happy to deal direct with Cappo owners and have no obligation to go via Capposport.
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| Avar |
| Posted on: Friday, April 15th, 2011, 7:46:21am |
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I'd fit an oil cooler as well when i do mine .
I think i will fit these myself, could it not just remove the mani with th turbo out in ione unit, change turbo over and refit in one go ?
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In a word no, unfortunately the turbo needs to be pushed to one side so that you can access one of the manifold bolts.
Re oil cooler, make sure you get a good one with high quality fitting and solid and short pipes, i fitted one to mine once and the pipes were so long it caused all maner of problems. The aeroquip elbows were also problematic as they required to be torqued up out of the car due to limited space but due to the lack of space made fitting really difficult. Also you have to look into either getting a sandwich plate for the oil filter which in my opinion pushes the filter further down toward the road and increases the chance for stone damage or filter relocation which leads to the where the hell do i mount it issues.
The cappo does have a fairly decent oil cooler built in which provided you have a good water system will cope with quite a lot.
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