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 just an update..bob g's old project (currently 1332 views) |
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| Posted on: Saturday, October 15th, 2011, 7:16:28pm |
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just thought i would pop in an update on bob g's old car - the roatary powered capp.
Before just going balls deep on it i decided to sit on rex forums first and learn a bit about the beasts- so i read up on stuff for months , chatted on there and asked various noob dumb a** questions etc...
my first nobedd manouvre was buying an apexi ecu, for the wrong bloody year .... I was looking at so many on forums and fleabay i overlooked the blokes writing right on the bottom of his add - doh!
But this was a blessing in disguise, this then forced me to learn more about the car and how its wired up , i had to buy another later series loom and then work that into the loom already in the car. to make my life easier i thought i would de pin the new loom and just re pin my old loom into the newer connectors but no, the sodding terminals were half a millimetre bigger!!! so off i went to solder the wires . The chore was trying to find an ecu pinout diagram for a later series rex, after 95 they were jdm only and it took me a couple of months net trawling just to find a badly translated pinout diagram. im down to four wires now before i hopefully can fire up the ecu and get a base map running.
Like i said , i was glad i made this mistake of getting the wrong ecu , if got the right ecu
all i would of done was plug it in , fire up a base map and get it rolling road tuned. None the wiser of any of the wirng , sensors etc. Im also a fair bit more confident with wiring diagrams and electrics because of this- it was always a bit daunting to me lol
Testing sensors on the car also revealed that the tps was shot, voltage out was going haywire on one of the terminals. So when bob g advertised it for sale he was bang on the money 
Im fairly sure there is an air leak too somewhere as it has a high rough idle, from what i read on the rex forums they say i you have an idle around 3k its sensor etc related but if its only just above normal idle its 9 out ten timies an air leak - still need to look into that.
A common issue with rex's if you have a bad running one the petrol can get into the oil, yep it happened to me so i had to do an oil change, took me 2 sodding hours! even with my low entry snap on jack it was a royal p.i.t.a, so damn low ! but to make sure it was all gone i had to remove the oil cooler and pipes, and jacked the car at all angles to drain every last drop of the contaminated stuff out.
I will post up some pics of my wiring woes soon and update when more progress is made  |
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| Posted on: Saturday, October 15th, 2011, 7:24:45pm |
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Thanks for the update Pete I've been dying to know how the Death Sled was going 
Looking forward to plenty more updates |
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| Posted on: Saturday, October 15th, 2011, 7:31:13pm |
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bloody heck chum, that was quick! you welded to this forum lol hope your doing well
As i heard nurburgring was closing i thought id have a go at it, me and a mate went in june , he took his mr2 turbo and i spanked me bike round there. Man that place is lunacy! cars and bike mixing it on the track is , erm - interesting... best experience of my life i think so far. the elevation changes on the ring is simply awesome, its only down to the size of your cajunes which determines your speed on the fast corners  |
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| Posted on: Saturday, October 15th, 2011, 7:42:58pm |
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Something like that!  I'm good ta!
I don't think I'd ever be brave enough to take my own car round their to be honest. Far too many clips on youtube showing what happens when it all goes pear shaped  |
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| Posted on: Saturday, October 15th, 2011, 8:01:09pm |
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Nice to have some news about this unique car !
By the way, why did you change the ECU ? |
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| Posted on: Saturday, October 15th, 2011, 8:04:38pm |
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| the bottom line is that you cant run a std ecu on a single turbo conversion- the ecu is very two dimensional, they are very fussy ecus cant even change the exhaust on them without it running weak! basically they dont adapt to any changes from standard. |
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| Posted on: Saturday, October 15th, 2011, 8:18:23pm |
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Ok I see... well good luck for the remaining work
And don't forget some pictures and videos (when you get it to run well) please |
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| Posted on: Sunday, October 16th, 2011, 1:54:04pm |
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Give me a message on the email about which wires your missing if I don't know what they are ill know someone who will be able to tell me in about 1/2 an hour.
Would love to see this car and depending on where you are in the country I know my Rotary specialist in Newbury REALLY wants to see this car after he was outbid on eBay for it.
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| Posted on: Sunday, October 16th, 2011, 5:20:40pm |
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soon as i change my damaged screen on my i phone i can sort the wire issue out. the chap i bought the ecu off i kept in touch and im going to ask him for a pic of the wiring harness as it comes out the ecu , i can see if my pinout diagram also tallys up with his configuration - bar the wires not used for single turby
i live on hayling island, portsmouth way, newbury aint far - when its sorted i could go on a shakedown run your way |
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| Posted on: Sunday, October 16th, 2011, 8:34:04pm |
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Be worth it just for the ride up the A3 to Petersfield - A272 to winchester and then onto Newbury up the A34.
that and you can ask them to do a quick rotary compression check for £50 |
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| Posted on: Monday, October 24th, 2011, 7:40:59pm |
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Everyone should go to the 'ring at least once, even if you just get a passenger lap or two. Venturing out as a virgin in your own car may not be very sensible, however....
Watch for English idiots with far more bravado than talent, you'll find them in the circuit office a few hours later looking at a massive bill for recovery, barrier damage, oil spillage, track closure etc etc looking very sorry for themselves with no insurance cover...
Apart from that it's a magical place. Locals with tatoo's of the circuit on their arms (I only noticed it on the girls for some reason), the sound of cars getting thrashed echoing off the valley walls as you sit having lunch in one of the cafes at Adenau or Breidscheid, the smell of hot brakes and the sweetness of Nitric Oxide from the 900degC exhausts.......
An awesome, unique, bizarre and truly magical place. |
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| Posted on: Monday, October 24th, 2011, 7:43:53pm |
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I think a certain someone should offer passenger laps 
Although I have to admit I'd love Sabine to take me for a lap or two around the ring lol |
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| Posted on: Monday, October 24th, 2011, 7:52:05pm |
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Although I have to admit I'd love Sabine to take me for a lap or two around the ring lol
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| Posted on: Tuesday, November 1st, 2011, 2:34:44pm |
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id certainly agree with you wayne- you must need about 1000laps before u can memorise that track of by heart, but its not just a case of that alone, there is always some german able to go 15mph quicker round that corner you are on
I remember coming up to a couple of corners too hot and washing off the apex, didnt brick it as i didnt ride out my limits , just let it run wide and crack on - just on one corner when i was going wide i didnt appreciate this gt3 going round the outside of me when it happened!!
Im glad i didnt have anything bigger than my tuned 400, easy to get into trouble- would definately done that if i was on my prilla rsvr
I managed 2 laps- then there was a 3 car pile up and that was goodnight vienna for the day! glad too cos i dropped my ring card with the remaining 2laps left on it  |
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| Posted on: Wednesday, November 2nd, 2011, 10:33:09pm |
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You can memorise it it fairy quickly if you break it into sections, and run over and over each section so you're fully with it before going on to study the next.
Much of it is visible and much of it is taken flat anyway, the big trouble comes when you mistake a corner for another with a faster exit, or if you don't leave a little in reserve for that incident around the corner that you can't yet see, such as the recovery truck across the road, or cones where someone dropped some oil, or freshly dropped oil with no cones.....
Bikes and cars together is just mental too, they have completely different lines, bikes brake much earlier, are much slower in the corners, and often don't see you in their mirrors because they are blurred with vibration. You need to give bikes a very wide berth on track, and if you're on a bike make sure the car behind you knows what you're about to do before you do it and take him by surprise. I've had bikes as well as cars, I still have a couple of enduros, so I appreciate the difference between the lines taken by two and four wheeled machines. |
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| Posted on: Wednesday, June 27th, 2012, 12:58:56pm |
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Long time peeps !!
Anyone tell me the size in litres of the fuel tank in the Capp ?
Someone managed to wire up the ecu and get sled o death running |
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| Posted on: Wednesday, June 27th, 2012, 1:16:10pm |
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30 litres
Can't wait to hear more on this |
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| Posted on: Wednesday, August 8th, 2012, 11:24:53pm |
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took the cappo for mot today , tax tomrrow then im off to reworx to get the once over by the rotary expert
Well where do i start with the build....
Once i did the ecu swap and got the last four wires plumbed in ( last four were the oil metering pump wires but the ecu pinout diagram didnt translate well enough to determine which four went where.. ) the only thing I could do was get hold of the chap i bought the ecu off and get him to send me his ecu connectors over for a few quid ( he was scrapping the car ) but i couldnt do that stragiht away as i broke the screen on my old iphone... put new screen in and contacted him, got the connectors and fitted..
I took a deep breath and turned on the ignition- ecu hand controller light up so that was a relief and no smoke or burning smell was coming from the ecu
So i went into the menu and ran the sensor check function , if any sensor is reading bad or gone belly up it highlights the relevant sensor in black- mine read up ok !
So for a final deep breath i had a go at starting it , fired up and ran . Winner ! Or so i thought... After this one time it didnt fire up again for ages. It had me well and truly perplexed. It would almost fire up but never quite and each time i dried the plugs out and the chambers it would never start up again.
I went through everything, wiring for breaks and correct signals , sensors for feed and correct readouts. Hit a brick wall because at the end of the day i had a spark, had fuel and as i could breathe we definately had air.
So as i was banging my head against a brick wall i decided to do a few things on the car to pass some time so i could plan my next attack of the starting issue. the last thing i did was going to be the BIG " oh my effing god " moment which made me in the end laugh.
One of the things i read about on the forums is you dont want a too high fuel pressure at idle as it can cause bad idling, so i put a fuel injection pressure testing equipment on it and tested it. Cranked it over and the guage read zero psi... Yes you read right , ZERO BLOOMING PSI!!!
But the fuel gauge reads half a tank i told myself and i was fouling the plugs up??? So i got a power probe and spiked the fuel pump in the boot with the fuel pipe off ( also in the boot ) and fek all fuel came out. Oh my god all this time I was out of fuel.... What a plank for trusting the fuel gauge!!
So i put some fresh super unleaded in and bit of premix oil in and it started funny enough!!!
This however was not the end of its woes...
It didnt sound right , ever since i did the ecu swap i lost my rev counter readout which was odd. the vehicle would only idle and thats it, if i tried to rev it up the engine would choke and backfire chronic ( very loud the backfires they were !!! ) I traced this fault down to the crank wires being the wrong way round ( 2 of three crank wires to ecu ) It turned out that the ecu diagram i had was for a 99ecu onwards ( after 95 they went to newer plugs and at 99 they changed wiring layout again to complicate my life more... ) so this cured the engine running issues.
Then for my next bit of headache was the oil cooler- once it was all running i tried to rev it up a few times - the bloody oil cooler pipe popped off and soaked me from head to toe in hot oil!!! frantically wiping off hot oil my attetnioin then swiftly went back to the car which was still running and STILL spewing hot oil everywhere, leapt to the key to turn it off before it ran out of oil altogether... The mess , oh my god. engine bay , cockpit and all over the bootlid , not to mention the puddle on the floor , and in the workshop and today i noticed 20 feet in the workshop it had managed to spurt it up the ceiling too.
This i thought was down to a " not tight enough jubilee clip " , again i was proved wrong. The pipe let go again this time i ducked but once again it fired sh1t everywhere , this time fanning it up the outside of the workshop facia. out with the truckclean and hose... that area of the workshop is very clean in comparison now !
I found the culprit there- although it was good quality hose fitted it was actually fuel hose and only rated to 35 psi. I read through the lubrication section in the mazda fsm and it informed me that the oil system can get higher than 120 psi- poor pipes never stood a chance! So I had some heavy duty pipes made up from my local hose place , got a good deal as i go there for work and last trime i was there last week we chatted for ages as i found out he was a bike and car nut too , love a good connection !
pipes on and it was prep for mot, the only issue i had was the balljoints in the rear top arms. got away with an advisory but i will change them as i want all that area to be right.
The drive there was interesting indeed - the gearing is waaaay too low !
power is how do i put it, loony! Gearing doesnt help one bit but when i tried to pull out of a junction the thing lit up in first and second and i was hardly farting on the pedal  im not giving it any beans yet until its mapped because loading it up on boost and going lean will break a rotary so quick its not funny according to all i have read.speedo is way out in calibrtation too. at about 30 its reading 56mph!
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| Posted on: Wednesday, August 8th, 2012, 11:58:05pm |
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| Nice one pete. Good right up. Can't wait to see pics and possibly a video if there is any knocking about |
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| Posted on: Thursday, August 9th, 2012, 12:08:12am |
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got a few pics and a couple of videos, one video of it running bad ( crank wires wrong way ) and you can hear the awkwardness of the idle and one of the car running right and revving up . I will pardon myself now in advance for all the silly noises i made !
i was slightly happy when i finally got it running again..... |
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| Posted on: Thursday, August 9th, 2012, 12:10:32am |
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| No doubt mate. It's an epic car and my hat goes off to you for getting it finally running. Top job |
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| Posted on: Thursday, August 9th, 2012, 12:31:01am |
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the ecu wiring was the hard bit - from 96 it was jdm market only for rx7's and even in usa the peeps out there have little knowledge on them - i was taking one giant leap into the dark with the mating of two different model year wiring looms. I did read up somewhere that in japan there was a jumper connector harness to mate an old loom to a newer ecu but there was no lead whatsoever there.
the bit i liked was when i was posting help questions on the rx7.com site i had some smart arsed reply from someone on there saying " compared to what you are doing debugging a computer is easy childs play , you are better off getting the right ecu as you dont seem to know enough about these cars to do what you are doing "
Ha. proved that bloke wrong!
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| Posted on: Thursday, August 9th, 2012, 6:59:27pm |
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Wow Pete, looks like you did your homework. Good job !
Any idea about how to solve the short gearing issue ? |
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| Posted on: Thursday, August 9th, 2012, 7:33:04pm |
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Yes I do - according to the rotary guru today he says the std diff in an output rx7 is about a 4:3 , bob have me another three diffs and two boxes to make up more diff ratios. If his calcs are right when he modded them , the 4:11 diff already built should be a good match. I must say tho even giving it a couple of squirts ( only up to 4k ) it's bloody rapid
I thought it was going to produce about 220--250 bhp at the moment but the rotary bloke reckons it will be about 300 ! Eeeek .... |
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| Posted on: Thursday, August 9th, 2012, 7:59:14pm |
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300... damn this is going to be quick
I can't even imagine what it's going to be like.
Oh and about the oil mess, it must have been such a pain in the a** to clean that up. |
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| Posted on: Thursday, August 9th, 2012, 8:29:19pm |
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It was quite funny the first time but the second time got on my t1ts ... Thus forcing me to do something about it ASAP
Had a nasty grinding noise from the propshaft , put up on the ramp at my old work n found the culprit to be the bolt up plate which holds the handbrake cables , so fortunately there I have an easy fix, all I have to do is drill the holes higher to hold the two cables in and trim some metal off. Beauty is that the hamdbrake plate is removable so the fix is easy |
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| Posted on: Thursday, August 9th, 2012, 8:39:43pm |
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| Maybe Wayne 2013 should shove one in his cappo and he can then wipe the floor with his opposition |
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| Posted on: Thursday, August 9th, 2012, 8:51:55pm |
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Hi,
Are you running stock brakes? How are they holding up to the power increase, mine don't have any decent bite on them now.
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| Posted on: Wednesday, August 15th, 2012, 7:48:16am |
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Well I have not really had much time out with the car and as I'm not taking above 4-5 k until its mapped ( can't risk the rotary lump going pop ) so I've not really given in proper physic yet. All I will say at the moment the 3G discs and pads are stopping immensely atm, think the 13" wheels are too little for it .
Where you are running rather big 17" wheels which are a fair size larger and heavier that can't be helping things much ?? I'm going back to some 15" rims soon as I have some black split rims and also a mint jdm set of integra wheels too to play with. Easier selection of treads and a cheaper price |
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| Posted on: Wednesday, August 15th, 2012, 7:49:40am |
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head has been feeling a lot better this week so got up the workshop on sat and did a little on it before pain started to come back again. Mri scan is on the 15th so im hoping its going to give some clues as to whats going on there...
anyways uber long in the making, taking WAAY too long death sled update ....
extra u/j fitted in , used small steering axle from steering column which is short to begin with, cut it back a bit and had it turned down a bit on the lathe by my mate to fit the original u/j on the rack side. That u/j was the original one which goes from rack into the bulkhead, my mate lathed the spine off it . the silver u/j in place further up is from an mx5. Rose joint off ebay for £7 u/j short spine is just tucked in atm till im 100% happy then ill trim off the excess and weld on and re paint it all.
plate just tacked in for now
extra space needed now so i can get to work on manifold setup
any thoughts with best design ? ( wink wink nudge nudge wayne 2015 ) or any other things i might be possibly overlooking . These engines punt out so much exh gas I want to make it breathe best i can with what i have & spacewise |
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also the bits of stainless i have so far is 2 " n a bit , maybe 2' 1/4? im sh1t with imperial measurements... ( internal diameteris 54mm ) 3mm thick, bends of ; x2 of 90deg and x1 of 45deg. having trouble trying to source similar pipe or elbows. Any one got any ideas? my mate had these gathering dust at his fab shop but im not sure if he can get more. Just thought id ask her and pose a question out to many to help my odds lol
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the oil mess after pipe blew before i uprated the pipes to spec which can run more than 35psi ( runs up to 110/120 psi i think on the rotary lumps ) , just trying to work out how to put a vid up of it running |
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| nc30pete |
| Posted on: Sunday, April 6th, 2014, 11:32:21pm |
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bought some borbet wheels too, nice dish , 8j rear and 7j front. 195/45/15 up front ( 50 profiles touched ) and 214/45/15's on rear
thinking of an over fender/ arch kit - hear the mx5 kits can be used?? |
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| Ricou |
| Posted on: Monday, April 7th, 2014, 12:26:56pm |
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The videos
SAWEET !!! |
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| Yea I was rather stoked at the time lol - like most mechanics I hate electrics and doing a stand alone ecu plus a graft of a later spec loom onto an already spliced n diced cappo/rx7 loom was one big maiden voyage for me. Once I read and re read & got my head around what all the wires were n looked up their purposes it became easier as familiarity was on my side then, humans and the fear of the unknown |
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