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| nishka |
| Posted on: Thursday, January 8th, 2009, 12:05:14am |
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Hi,
Well I joined just before the newyear and checking out the postings and getting help from club members has become a new past time. bob_g has kindly provided me with a wealth of information and sent me more than a few leads. So I've been checking ebay.uk as well as an auction house in Japan. Checking shipping, various charges etc and trying to decide who is the best deal for costs and where I can get the best Cappo for my buck.
So far it's a toss up. Being from Ontario, land of endless winter snows and much of the salt in the western hemisphere on the roads to solve that, rust has always been a part of my life. I think that is why I have a Corvette (fiberglass body) with a rust free frame. Mind you it will never see winter snows except through a window. I've been checking E-bay and it seems that 2000 pounds will buy a reasonable Cappo. I don't know about the rusty part though. I've checked JDM and it appears that about 400,000 will buy a nice Cappo with no rust. That's about 2850 pounds. Suddenly the U.K. looks very attractive and I contempate depleting their numbers of Cappos by one. Then there is shipping which surprisingly appears to be cheaper from Japan. Mind you I have to do a Halifax quote from both places. I'm 4500 kilometers from Vancouver so that just isn't going to work.
The best Japan site I have so far is from bob_g and is:
http://www.japaneseusedcars.com/
I have found others but these guys don't seem to have the outrageous mulitple charges that others seem to have and usually add up to about a thousand Canadian dollars or so.
I thought I'd post my journey in the Canadian section as it unfolds. I appreciate any help and advice. When I find a good lead I'll post it, and similarly when I do something stupid ( far more often) I'll post that as well.
Today I got the 12 page Cappuccino brochure I bought on E-bay from the U.K. I will be pawing at it's pages daily until I find the car itself. Thanks again to everyone at ClubCappo and especially bob_g. I owe him several cold and frosty wobbly pops the next time I'm in the U.K. |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Thursday, January 8th, 2009, 12:08:45am |
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Excellent. The journey progresses  |
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Thursday, January 8th, 2009, 12:17:13am |
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Thanks Andy, I think it will be great fun. I did want to say that anyone who has purchased a Cappuccino from Japan and has any leads, auction houses, or help to offer would be greatly appreciated. I have never done this before and I'm just a wee bit nervous about it. If it was 10 years ago it would just be me, but now it's a wife, son and one on the way. I can't blow too much disposable income and have it go unnoticed 
I'm looking at a 5 to 6 month journey and hopefully the next person in line will gain, and who knows maybe I could have 2?  After all we have 4 cars now ( yes I have to get rid of one first)
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Thursday, January 8th, 2009, 12:27:28am |
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evening_kids has recently imported his Cappuccino into Vancouver so may be able to offer some useful pointers. Although his experience of importing might not be the best to read about  |
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| evening_kids |
| Posted on: Friday, January 9th, 2009, 4:25:34am |
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evening_kids has recently imported his Cappuccino into Vancouver so may be able to offer some useful pointers. Although his experience of importing might not be the best to read about
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Andy!!! please don't remind me about my sad experience... j/k . Yeah! Nishka just sent me an email and asking me about my cappo and I already explain some of my experience to him. Oh! by the way Andy, I have some bonnet pics for you and I will post it up as soon as I transfer those files to my computer.  |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Friday, January 9th, 2009, 1:34:49pm |
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Excellent, cheers for that. At least they didn't pinch that on the way over eh?  |
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| nishka |
Posted on: Saturday, January 31st, 2009, 1:14:21am
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| O.K, so here is much of the info I've found so far. I'm going to try to attach an htm file and see if it works, then I can add to it as I find more. Comments are welcome.. no snickering though.. |
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| verygood |
| Posted on: Sunday, February 1st, 2009, 9:21:41pm |
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| what company are you using for ro-ro sea shipping from the UK? interested to find out. Our logisitics are handled by DHL, I can ask some of them how the price/company stacks up on a 20' plus 700kg or are you going to plunder the UK flea markets and fill the container? |
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Sunday, February 1st, 2009, 11:45:34pm |
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Hi,
Well I was basically looking at Ro-Ro and not a container. As great as it would be to have the car actually make it to say, Toronto and them pick it up the quotes I got were almost $4,000 CDN. The other quote I got for Ro-Ro was :
Your Vehicle Shipping Quotation
1st Move International Limited http://www.autoshippers.co.uk
Your vehicle will be shipped on a safe and secure Roll on Roll off service using
specialist car carrying vessels operated by the world’s most reputable shipping lines.
IMPORTANT NOTE - Your vehicle will be secured safely inside the vessel in
a clean and dry car deck.
SUMMARY AND PRICES
Shipping from UK Port of: Southampton
To the Overseas port of: Halifax NS
Port to Port Price £ 907.00
UK Export Documentation fee £ 27.00
UK collection by an insured driver or on a recovery transporter is available on request
This quotation is valid for 30 days E& OE
Frequency of departures: Every Week
On water Transit time: 9 Days
I don't plan to visit flea markets or load up a container. It is relately cheap to fly to the U.K. from where I am but it's only relative. It would still cost me about the equivalent of five hundred pounds. Not being independantly wealthy I'm trying to do this on a budget. My wife has been totally convinced this is the replacement for the motorcycle I sold last summer and so she is encouraging me. If the price gets out of control or I spend a bit too much time getting it then I know this venture will come to a quick end. I am also going to be having a second son in early July so there is that whole sensitvity thing.
On the other hand if you know someone who would like to share a container that might just work very well. Depending what they want to put in it, customs and all. I've seen quite a few neat Cappos on various U.K. web sites and I trust people I can communicate with much better. That and I can drive from Nova Scotia to where I am in 24 hours. My wife would love me for that. No, there will be no more children after this one!
Please go ahead and ask DHL and see if it works out. I would be more than happy to have a win-win situation in the end. Thanks for the input!!
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Sunday, February 1st, 2009, 11:51:15pm |
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| One last thing, since I know I'm about 6 to 7 months to consumating a deal on a Cappo. I'm looking for input on what U.K. Cappos are like that are 2000 pounds or less. I have to say I love Bob_g's yellow one but I'm sure it will be gone long before I can make my move. Am I looking at rust buckets? Or are there good cars to be had? Any inputs would be greatly appreciated. I buy stuff on E-Bay all the time and talk to people, but my comfort level has been stretched buying a car over seas having never seen it. Thanks for any direction people can provide. |
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| verygood |
| Posted on: Monday, February 2nd, 2009, 3:05:22pm |
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The reason I ask, is that there may be a north american move for me, and was interested in seeing the options for getting the car over there. I would be taking a 20' at least. But on a quick conversation, your ro-ro price is pretty good.
keep us posted.
My first Capp was a rust magnet, well concealed and waxoiled in from the UK, the second one came in from Japan and is perfect. |
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Wednesday, February 4th, 2009, 3:47:34am |
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I will. The rust in the U.K. seems to be the real wild card so I'm very cautious about that. We have some of the worst rust her in Ontario due to snowy winters and a lot of salt. It would be rare to see a 15 year old car with little or no rust, or that hasn't had a complete body and paint job done.
I see saw back and forth all the time, but I'd say I'm getting pretty settled on buying in Japan and shipping to Vancouver then driving the car home. I just want to be sure I know when the timing belt was changed because I'd hate to have it break while in the Rockies or in the middle of the praries. A few hundred dollar tow job and repairs would be very bac. |
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| Azi |
| Posted on: Monday, February 23rd, 2009, 6:27:14am |
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I think I am on the same position in you. want to look into some cappo's. But wondering where to import it from. the JDM option does cost more, but i think you would win on the rust issue. Is it easy for somebody in the UK to find a cappo that was only used as a summer car?
As for driving back home from van....I am around toronto too, but that is not something I would do. If you break down in the middle of the prairies you are pretty much screwed. Its not like we can find parts easily. I wouldnt take that risk. |
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Monday, February 23rd, 2009, 1:06:09pm |
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| I do worry about the drive back from Van for the very same reason. Apparently there are some parts in common with the Swift, but it seems more like brake rotors etc. Not something likely to go on a trip. I worry most about when the timing belt was changed. It is let go somewhere in Saskatchewan it would be a long tow to anywhere. I did see a Cappo posted on Kijiji on the Ottawa site this weekend, so more are creeping into the country. |
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| Azi |
| Posted on: Monday, February 23rd, 2009, 10:05:52pm |
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| i am not worried about the timing belt. I am sure it can last a few thou km. its more something like a caliper siezing or coolant leaking/over heating. or if the car has been sitting for a really long time, maybe even clogged fuel lines. its worth the shipping imo. or, wait until next year and get the EA12R and dont worry about the belt. |
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Wednesday, February 25th, 2009, 3:55:30am |
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| Well, I had the timing belt go on my '87 Supra Turbo. Being a Turbo they naturally have low compression so no damage, just a tow to the Toyota dealer and a few hundred for a new belt installation. Even though the Cappo is a turbo my understanding is that the pistons hit the valves and the valves lose. Caliper leaking, coolant leaking, or even clogged fuel lines are fixable even at a road side garage. Engine rebuild not so much so. My experience has been that if it says change the belt at 60,000 you shouldn't drive on borrowed time. Too much to lose. Shipping "imo" are you thinking container to Van or to Toronto? The difference is huge, read $700 to roro Van vs $1400 via container. To Toronto is container only and would top $3000 which is pretty pricing in my book. I wonder what other cappo drivers would think about a 4300 km trip on a JDM import fresh off the boat? I was thinking oil change, quick inspection and hit the road. |
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| Azi |
| Posted on: Saturday, February 28th, 2009, 4:33:24am |
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| I was thinking roro to van, and then using searail to toronto |
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| adilmon |
| Posted on: Friday, March 6th, 2009, 10:17:48pm |
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Hi,
Well I was basically looking at Ro-Ro and not a container. As great as it would be to have the car actually make it to say, Toronto and them pick it up the quotes I got were almost $4,000 CDN. The other quote I got for Ro-Ro was :
Your Vehicle Shipping Quotation
1st Move International Limited http://www.autoshippers.co.uk
Your vehicle will be shipped on a safe and secure Roll on Roll off service using
specialist car carrying vessels operated by the world’s most reputable shipping lines.
IMPORTANT NOTE - Your vehicle will be secured safely inside the vessel in
a clean and dry car deck.
SUMMARY AND PRICES
Shipping from UK Port of: Southampton
To the Overseas port of: Halifax NS
Port to Port Price £ 907.00
UK Export Documentation fee £ 27.00
UK collection by an insured driver or on a recovery transporter is available on request
This quotation is valid for 30 days E& OE
Frequency of departures: Every Week
On water Transit time: 9 Days
I don't plan to visit flea markets or load up a container. It is relately cheap to fly to the U.K. from where I am but it's only relative. It would still cost me about the equivalent of five hundred pounds. Not being independantly wealthy I'm trying to do this on a budget. My wife has been totally convinced this is the replacement for the motorcycle I sold last summer and so she is encouraging me. If the price gets out of control or I spend a bit too much time getting it then I know this venture will come to a quick end. I am also going to be having a second son in early July so there is that whole sensitvity thing.
On the other hand if you know someone who would like to share a container that might just work very well. Depending what they want to put in it, customs and all. I've seen quite a few neat Cappos on various U.K. web sites and I trust people I can communicate with much better. That and I can drive from Nova Scotia to where I am in 24 hours. My wife would love me for that. No, there will be no more children after this one!
Please go ahead and ask DHL and see if it works out. I would be more than happy to have a win-win situation in the end. Thanks for the input!!
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I ship aircraft parts all over the world and get big discounts. Would you like me to get you a quote?
We also have customs clearing agents at all the ports, so all you'd have to do is turn up and sign for it
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 10:38:47pm |
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I have the same price for Ro Ro from the U.K. It's Japan that is a bit different. I don't have a Ro Ro quote from them yet. I know a container would be safer and more secure and would hopefully reduce dings and dents ( I think of Bob_G's yellow Cappo) but the cost for a container is double the Ro Ro quote. I did get a quote from Sea Rail from Vancouver to Toronto is about $1400. That is a lot to add. Figuring about $300 in gas to drive, $400 for a plane ticket to Vancouver you still have $700 for hotels, food and generally being pretty silly. You can buy a lot of silly for $700 these days.
Mind you I've had a number of volunteers who would like to fly to Van pick up my cappo and drive it back. I just needt to pay for their airfare. Then I think, why should they have all the fun? The Saga continues! |
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 10:40:17pm |
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| I think I'm bound and determined to buy out of Japan now..... I've just seen too many pictures of rusty Cappo's in the U.K.. It's quite convincing! |
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Monday, March 9th, 2009, 1:22:01am |
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So I got my main computer back today (I"ve been limping along with a laptop) and checked the Japanese auctions as I've been following them since I started this adventure at the end of last year.
There are always a few of dozen due up on the block in any week. This week there are two. I must be missing a Japanese holiday or something.  . I'm hoping it is just a blip on the radar. I haven't been following the Japanese economy so I don't know what the situation is there. Here the Canadian dollar is in free fall losing about 25% of it's value against the US $ in the last three months. Locally one of our two major steel mills just shut down for the first time in over 100 years. So as a result of the diminishing value of the dollar the price of the Cappo keeps increasing.  |
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| fxdlidon |
| Posted on: Monday, March 9th, 2009, 6:51:27pm |
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| Think you must have checked while most of them had finished and the new ones hadn't started, there's 14 on there now, including a few nice looking ones. (and a rather nice silcer AZ-1 but that'll go for a lot of money) |
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 3:42:17am |
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| I found four today, which is better. They were on IBC. Which site were you checking? |
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| fxdlidon |
| Posted on: Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 8:38:10am |
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I was looking on USS Auto Auction. I think it lists all the auctions in japan. http://bzl.cis6200.jp/e/ Login - X59106
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 12:11:01pm |
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| Cool.. thanks. I'll have to keep my eye on that one. |
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 12:14:33pm |
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Does any one know the difference between a listing of a
Cappuccino
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Cappuccino OP?
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 6:36:52pm |
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When you click on Cappuccino OP it says 0 but when you click on Cappuccino there are 16 but are all listed as Cappuccino OP  |
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| fxdlidon |
| Posted on: Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 6:52:46pm |
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| Does the same for Autozam AZ-1 CP, it's always confused me! I think something is being lost in translation here |
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| Posted on: Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 7:36:50pm |
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| fxdlidon |
| Posted on: Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 8:40:20pm |
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That simple! I feel really dim now 
Still doesn't explain why they list them as one then describe them as the other though. |
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 9:46:10pm |
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One auction house I go to http://www.japaneseusedcars.com/ has two listings. One for Cappuccino and one for Cappuccino OP. I thought all Cappos were open? The cp for coupe and op for open makes sense, if there was a coupe only Cappo.
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Wednesday, March 11th, 2009, 11:41:17pm |
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Next chapter. So I have not gone to: http://jpctrade.com/
Which is JPC trade. Lowest fees, selects all the auctions and you can also track a car and see what it sold for! Shipping to Westminster (Vancouver) is under $500 US. Cheapest shipping I've seen anywhere, about a third of shipping from the U.K. So my "learnings" so far include:
Japanese Fees -- recycling deposit, export, internal tranportation
Brokerage fees which range from 80,000 jpy to 130,000 jpy
Shipping to Canada via Container or RoRo ranges from $500 USD to 1200 USD
Rating of Cars on a scale from R to 5. It would appear that a 4 is ideal, although 3.5's look pretty good, it is important to know why it is a 3.5 ie: Rust, Body work, mileage, dents and tears etc.
This is certainly not a simple venture. Every so often I think it would be easier to just go buy a Z3 BMW locally or imported from the States. But I've become Cappo enamoured. |
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| evening_kids |
| Posted on: Thursday, March 12th, 2009, 2:59:24am |
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| $500 USD for shipping fee is really cheap... I will go for it if I am you. Nishka, go for auction car that is 4.0 grade and above. Personally, I will go for auction grade 4.0 and above because better condition and need not much work to get the car on the street. Cappo from Japan tends to be better condition then UK and cheaper too. Good luck with your search. |
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| Posted on: Thursday, March 12th, 2009, 10:59:58am |
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My AZ-1 was a 3.5 with a B grade interior, but very low km's (17,000)
JPC trade look very good. Once you find a car you're interested in they'll be able to send you a copy of the 'Auction Sheet'. Every car at auction in japan has one and they give a a lot of independent (assessed by the auction house) information about the car. You can look here http://auctions.amayama.com/faq/05/ to find out how to read one but it sounds like JPC Trade will provide a translated copy of it.
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Saturday, March 14th, 2009, 9:59:07pm |
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| Incredibly cool link. I knew about the ratings up to 5, but I didn't know about the rest of the stuff. JPC seems to be the best auction house, best prices and most information of all the places I've found so far. The shipping has to be the best part which works out to about 1/3rd of what it would cost me to ship from the U.K. to Halifax Nova Scotia. Funny because it's a much shorter journey. My Cappo fund is getting bigger.. but the scary news is my wife is now saying, "Neat car... I'm looking forward to us getting that". Of course my response is "what do you me us?" Maybe I need to look for a new home with a 4 car garage. |
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| fxdlidon |
| Posted on: Sunday, March 15th, 2009, 11:48:56am |
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The auction sheets are very detailed. It took me over a month to find the chip in the windscreen that they marked, it was about the size of a pin head. And the 'rippley paint' that was in the comments was a small run on the back of the boot lid. These auction inspectors are very rigorous.
I noticed on JPC Trade that they give you the facility to view and compare sheets between various cars once you've given them a deposit - sounds like a perfect way to buy
Personally I'd be looking for a low mileage 3.5 or better, but some of the low mileage R's can be quite good too, and you're more likely to get some of the nice, japanese market, extras on them. |
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Wednesday, March 18th, 2009, 9:10:08pm |
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| I thought R's were rebuilt after an accident? I don't know if that means it would come with a salvage title. I'm glad to hear about the accuracy of the auction sheets. Plunking down a few thousand for a car site unseen is somewhat unnerving. Mind you I have much more tolerancefor it since I've become a bit of an e-bay junkie. I was thinking 3.5's are pretty good with trashed interiors. Mind you now I know about the interior rating I"m a bit more comfortable with them. Rust avoidance is still king!! |
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| fxdlidon |
| Posted on: Wednesday, March 18th, 2009, 10:04:00pm |
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'R's are just rebuilt, not nessicarly after an accident. It can often mean a respray and a bit of customising. I wouldn't buy one unless it had a syaken (equivilent of our mot or the Irish nct, what's the roadworthyness test called in canada?), it's easy enough to tell - if they've got one it'll have number plates on it.
Rust will be noted in the auctioneers notes on the aution sheet. Mine said 'some rust' which turned out to be some light surface rust near the suspension mounts where someone had chipped the paint with a spanner. If they tell you about something that minor I'm sure they'd mention something serious.
My 'B' grade interior was pretty good apart from the seats and the carpet - AZ-1 seats are cloth and mine looked distintly grubby and a bit 'tired', and the carpets and mats had seen better days too! I wound up recovering the seats in leather and making up a new set of carpets and mats - all materials sourced from ebay ( yes I'm an ebay junkie too ) |
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| nishka |
| Posted on: Thursday, March 19th, 2009, 12:52:50am |
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That makes a bit more sense. We have "salvage" title which sounds bad but it could mean written off in an accident, or written off by an insurance company. Locally there was a late 90's Honda Accord that was written off because the leather seats were stolen and it was cheaper to write off the car than replace the seats. The import laws here changed recently and one cannot import a salvage vehicle except for parts.
Each province is different but in Ontario we have a "safety check" every time a vehicle changes hands or the police decide it looks like it wouldn't pass. We also have an emissions test every two years for vehicles less than 20 years old.
I have noticed a few "R" cars that have gone for quite a few bucks, so it is good to know that they are not what I thought they were.
Seat recovery should be easy, but carpet would be hard to come by. Did you get factory fit carpets for your car? They are not too hard to find here if you are restoring a 67 Camaro or Mustang, but I suspect I will be SOL for a Cappuccino. That said mats usually hide a multitude of sins. |
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| Posted on: Thursday, March 19th, 2009, 1:07:01am |
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