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 Stop the TRAVEL TAX - DEADLINE 20th Feb (currently 343 views) |
| scubababe |
| Posted on: Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 3:04:15pm |
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Proposed Car Tax
Time to take action?
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/
This really is another tax increase through the back door.
There are only 12 days left to register your objection to the 'Pay as you go' road tax - which closes to petitions on the 20th February 2007.
The petition is on the 10 Downing St website but they didn't tell anybody about it. Therefore at this time only 671,354 people have signed it so far and 750,000 signatures are required to stop them introducing it.
Once you've given your details (you don't have to give your full address, just house number and postcode will do), they will send you an email with a link in it. Once you click on that link, you'll have signed the petition.
Democracy in action?
The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it. The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working mother who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in one month.
On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. They will also know how fast you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit in time you can probably expect a Notice of Intended Prosecution with your monthly bill.
If you care about our freedom and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website (link below) and pass this on to as many people as possible."
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/
Thanks
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 5:34:21pm |
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| jaik |
| Posted on: Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 7:47:56pm |
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I've already signed ta  Don't really fancy the whole in-car black box thing! That and these new digital passports is enough to make me seriously consider moving abroard! |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 7:57:40pm |
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Wow your post must have worked Jules! 869,716 signatures now!  Where did you get the figure of 750,000 needed to stop them introducing it? I can't see that stopping them sadly. |
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| jaik |
| Posted on: Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 8:29:08pm |
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| I hope if the government do decide to introduce this scheme then there will be protests/riots. There really does have to be a line drawn as to what rights the government can strip from us at some point! |
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| crisp |
| Posted on: Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 9:25:16pm |
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Call me a pessimist or worse (I'm used to it), but are you sure that's the right address?
It's an unsecured webpage which is wholley unsuitable for the entry of any personal data - especially mine!
Looks like a Phishing page, and a very very poorly and cheaply encoded one at that.
Been to route address and done search on petitions and there's even one for petitioning to have the site use secure encryption, lol.
Still don't trust it.
If it is real then no wonder there's so few petitioners signed up to it. |
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| jaik |
| Posted on: Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 9:35:20pm |
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I doubt phishers would have an easy time getting hold of a .gov.uk domain. I've entered my details into plenty of non-SSL sites before so I'm not fussed about doing it again  |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 10:03:24pm |
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| Don't forget this is a Beta site and isn't widely publicised. |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Saturday, February 10th, 2007, 11:22:25pm |
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| Hey it's got a plug on the BBC news tonight! Over a million signatures now!! |
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| jaik |
| Posted on: Sunday, February 11th, 2007, 1:47:37am |
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| I wonder if the government will actually take any notice of it, or just pretend it doesn't exist? |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Sunday, February 11th, 2007, 1:54:04am |
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Well if they don't make a response to this one which has by far more signatures than all the other petitions put together then...
It's interesting the petitions that have been rejected for 'possibly written for homourous purposes' that are actually very serious yet 'Replace the National Anthem with 'GOLD' by Spandau Ballet was deemed perfectly fine! (Currently 2810 signatures by the way) |
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| scubababe |
| Posted on: Sunday, February 11th, 2007, 12:45:29pm |
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I think it's criminal that they will make us pay for the equiptment neeed to tax us! (even more)! As has been said before...even dick turpin wore a mask!!
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| scubababe |
| Posted on: Sunday, February 11th, 2007, 12:47:43pm |
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| and 1,066,525 people must have some sort of voice on the subject. |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Sunday, February 11th, 2007, 1:22:54pm |
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| And when you consider that not many people actually know about the site it is a remarkable number of people. The only way people will have heard of this is through word of mouth on sites like ours. |
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| scubababe |
| Posted on: Monday, February 12th, 2007, 10:26:18pm |
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Headlines on AOL tonight.
Plans to introduce road charging to cut congestion will be scrapped by Transport Secretary Douglas Alexander unless the country backs the scheme, it has been reported.
Mr Alexander told the Daily Mirror: "Unless motorists and families can see the benefits of bringing in a national road pricing system then it simply won't happen."
On Friday, an online petition opposing the project passed the million-signature mark - with signatures being added at a rate of around one every second that day.
But a Department for Transport spokesman played down Mr Alexander's comments, emphasising that no decision on a national road charging system could be made until the results of planned regional trials were known.
Mr Alexander told the paper: "I understand the public's concerns. Frankly, if we were proposing what the petition suggests, I would share their concerns."
He added: "Congestion is the enemy - and doing nothing is just not an option."
On Saturday, Mr Alexander insisted he would not allow the scale of the protest to deter him from pressing ahead with trials of charging schemes designed to cut congestion.
Mr Alexander said that the scale of the response showed the need for more debate on proposals to cut congestion by charging motorists to use the busiest roads at peak times.
Manchester and Birmingham are thought to be front-runners to host the regional trials, starting in around four to five years.
Sir Rod Eddington's recent report on the future of transport gave strong support to nationwide congestion charging, which the DfT calculates could result in tolls of up to £1.28 a mile on the busiest roads in peak periods.
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| jaik |
| Posted on: Monday, February 12th, 2007, 10:42:22pm |
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| Has the London Congestion Charge not shown them that road charging doesn't cut congestion? Back when I was far too young to understand, I believe the government were pushing people to move out of the city centres and commute to work. Looks like that paid off for them! |
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| scubababe |
| Posted on: Monday, February 12th, 2007, 10:54:00pm |
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let's face it..it has f#ck all to do with congestion...it's just another way to get more money out of us!
Sorry about expeltives..not alot riles me but when are they going to stop taxing us? they tax our wages, our purchases, our petrol, our cars, our houses/property and now they want to tax us just for going to work etc.
It's NUTS!  |
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| jaik |
| Posted on: Monday, February 12th, 2007, 11:04:09pm |
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Exactly, it's almost as bad the whole "cars are going to make the world end" argument.
The problem with congestion charging is that if it "works" and less people drive to work, they have to use public transport instead. That's not a problem in London which has a fairly good system where you can get just about anywhere you need to go, but in Manchester it's just not viable for a lot of people. |
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| scubababe |
| Posted on: Monday, February 12th, 2007, 11:41:01pm |
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Well it was a hot topic on ITV national news again tonight! Downing street is "Not amused"  |
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| scubababe |
| Posted on: Monday, February 12th, 2007, 11:45:58pm |
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1,237,080 votes at the mo and 7 and a bit days to go!
Keep the pressure on and pass this to all your friends to vote. Just for once let's have our say |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Monday, February 12th, 2007, 11:50:14pm |
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| Well like I said before the only way people have even heard of the petition site is through sites like ours. I think it has a link on most car related forums. I'm sure they would have an even bigger shock on their hands if people weren't only just finding out about it in the news. |
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| crisp |
| Posted on: Thursday, February 15th, 2007, 9:11:45pm |
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As said above they like to swing the "cars will be the end of the world" thing, but notice how the old CO2 and Greenhouse Gases theories get so much more publicity than the fact that the Sun is expanding.
It will continue to expand, then at some point shrink.
Then expand, then shrink.
Etc., etc., etc..
At some other point way beyond human species it may implode, or it may go Super Nova.
In the mean time they NEED taxes from somewhere, if nothing else to help more foreigners destroy our own car industry; to fund more mangers; less nurses; and not forgetting more inbred cabage munching idiots in Lincoln who couldn't plan a road system (or lasting surface) if a good one whacked them full in the face with the equivalent force to standing in front of a TGV at full pelt. |
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| scubababe |
| Posted on: Monday, February 19th, 2007, 5:50:20pm |
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| Well last hours left and now 1,628,522 signaturies. Last chance to get your name to count. |
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| scubababe |
| Posted on: Wednesday, February 21st, 2007, 10:02:29pm |
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Well it finished with 1,800,339 petitioners. And here is the reply from "Tony Blair"
Thank you for taking the time to register your views about road pricing on the Downing Street website.
This petition was posted shortly before we published the Eddington Study, an independent review of Britain's transport network. This study set out long-term challenges and options for our transport network.
It made clear that congestion is a major problem to which there is no easy answer. One aspect of the study was highlighting how road pricing could provide a solution to these problems and that advances in technology put these plans within our reach. Of course it would be ten years or more before any national scheme was technologically, never mind politically, feasible.
That is the backdrop to this issue. As my response makes clear, this is not about imposing "stealth taxes" or introducing "Big Brother" surveillance. This is a complex subject, which cannot be resolved without a thorough investigation of all the options, combined with a full and frank debate about the choices we face at a local and national level. That's why I hope this detailed response will address your concerns and set out how we intend to take this issue forward. I see this email as the beginning, not the end of the debate, and the links below provide an opportunity for you to take it further.
But let me be clear straight away: we have not made any decision about national road pricing. Indeed we are simply not yet in a position to do so. We are, for now, working with some local authorities that are interested in establishing local schemes to help address local congestion problems. Pricing is not being forced on any area, but any schemes would teach us more about how road pricing would work and inform decisions on a national scheme. And funds raised from these local schemes will be used to improve transport in those areas.
One thing I suspect we can all agree is that congestion is bad. It's bad for business because it disrupts the delivery of goods and services. It affects people's quality of life. And it is bad for the environment. That is why tackling congestion is a key priority for any Government.
Congestion is predicted to increase by 25% by 2015. This is being driven by economic prosperity. There are 6 million more vehicles on the road now than in 1997, and predictions are that this trend will continue.
Part of the solution is to improve public transport, and to make the most of the existing road network. We have more than doubled investment since 1997, spending £2.5 billion this year on buses and over £4 billion on trains - helping to explain why more people are using them than for decades. And we're committed to sustaining this investment, with over £140 billion of investment planned between now and 2015. We're also putting a great deal of effort into improving traffic flows - for example, over 1000 Highways Agency Traffic Officers now help to keep motorway traffic moving.
But all the evidence shows that improving public transport and tackling traffic bottlenecks will not by themselves prevent congestion getting worse. So we have a difficult choice to make about how we tackle the expected increase in congestion. This is a challenge that all political leaders have to face up to, and not just in the UK. For example, road pricing schemes are already in operation in Italy, Norway and Singapore, and others, such as the Netherlands, are developing schemes. Towns and cities across the world are looking at road pricing as a means of addressing congestion.
One option would be to allow congestion to grow unchecked. Given the forecast growth in traffic, doing nothing would mean that journeys within and between cities would take longer, and be less reliable. I think that would be bad for businesses, individuals and the environment. And the costs on us all will be real - congestion could cost an extra £22 billion in wasted time in England by 2025, of which £10-12 billion would be the direct cost on businesses.
A second option would be to try to build our way out of congestion. We could, of course, add new lanes to our motorways, widen roads in our congested city centres, and build new routes across the countryside. Certainly in some places new capacity will be part of the story. That is why we are widening the M25, M1 and M62. But I think people agree that we cannot simply build more and more roads, particularly when the evidence suggests that traffic quickly grows to fill any new capacity.
Tackling congestion in this way would also be extremely costly, requiring substantial sums to be diverted from other services such as education and health, or increases in taxes. If I tell you that one mile of new motorway costs as much as £30m, you'll have an idea of the sums this approach would entail.
That is why I believe that at least we need to explore the contribution road pricing can make to tackling congestion. It would not be in anyone's interests, especially those of motorists, to slam the door shut on road pricing without exploring it further.
It has been calculated that a national scheme - as part of a wider package of measures - could cut congestion significantly through small changes in our overall travel patterns. But any technology used would have to give definite guarantees about privacy being protected - as it should be. Existing technologies, such as mobile phones and pay-as-you-drive insurance schemes, may well be able to play a role here, by ensuring that the Government doesn't hold information about where vehicles have been. But there may also be opportunities presented by developments in new technology. Just as new medical technology is changing the NHS, so there will be changes in the transport sector. Our aim is to relieve traffic jams, not create a "Big Brother" society.
I know many people's biggest worry about road pricing is that it will be a "stealth tax" on motorists. It won't. Road pricing is about tackling congestion.
Clearly if we decided to move towards a system of national road pricing, there could be a case for moving away from the current system of motoring taxation. This could mean that those who use their car less, or can travel at less congested times, in less congested areas, for example in rural areas, would benefit from lower motoring costs overall. Those who travel longer distances at peak times and in more congested areas would pay more. But those are decisions for the future. At this stage, when no firm decision has been taken as to whether we will move towards a national scheme, stories about possible costs are simply not credible, since they depend on so many variables yet to be investigated, never mind decided.
Before we take any decisions about a national pricing scheme, we know that we have to have a system that works. A system that respects our privacy as individuals. A system that is fair. I fully accept that we don't have all the answers yet. That is why we are not rushing headlong into a national road pricing scheme. Before we take any decisions there would be further consultations. The public will, of course, have their say, as will Parliament.
We want to continue this debate, so that we can build a consensus around the best way to reduce congestion, protect the environment and support our businesses. If you want to find out more, please visit the attached links to more detailed information, and which also give opportunities to engage in further debate.
Yours sincerely,
Tony Blair
Further information
Both the 10 Downing Street and Department for Transport websites offer much more information about road pricing.
This includes a range of independent viewpoints, both for and against.
You can also read the Eddington Report in full.
You can reply to this email by posting a question to Roads Minister Dr. Stephen Ladyman in a webchat on the No 10 website this Thursday.
There will be further opportunities in the coming months to get involved in the debate. You will receive one final e-mail from Downing Street to update you in due course.
If you would like to opt out of receiving further mail on this or any other petitions you signed, please email optout@petitions.pm.gov.uk
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Wednesday, February 21st, 2007, 10:05:19pm |
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| I'm still waiting for my email from Tony! Perhaps he's doing each one individually lol |
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| scubababe |
| Posted on: Wednesday, February 21st, 2007, 10:25:27pm |
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well as you can see from above your missing the square route of zero!!  |
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| Olyfan |
| Posted on: Saturday, April 14th, 2007, 2:47:48pm |
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| I got mine 3 months ago - it was...............fascinating! |
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| scubababe |
| Posted on: Saturday, April 14th, 2007, 8:50:17pm |
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Yes. Funny enough still awaiting the "final email to update me".
Lets just say I won't be holding by breath! |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Saturday, April 14th, 2007, 8:55:44pm |
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| Well I'm still waiting for my reply from Tony. Think it must have got marked as SPAM lol. |
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| Olyfan |
| Posted on: Saturday, April 14th, 2007, 8:59:52pm |
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| tell you wot don't hold your breath - it's only worth binning anyway |
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| jaik |
| Posted on: Saturday, April 14th, 2007, 11:46:40pm |
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| They're now doing nothing public that would suggest that road pricing is going to go ahead; it will be left to the next government to do that! |
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| scubababe |
| Posted on: Sunday, April 15th, 2007, 11:41:25am |
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| Well we will just have to wait and see what their next tact will be. At least we all had a say...even though it may not make a difference I still feel it was worth it. And let's face it....peoples votes say alot about what they think of the political parties and their policies. |
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