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| Capposteve |
| Posted on: Friday, July 27th, 2012, 3:56:35pm |
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Hi all. Can anyone point me in the right direction for a decent sound system for the cap!! What has everyone else some to get a clear crisp Sound with only a bit of bass. Nothing stupid.
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Friday, July 27th, 2012, 4:27:01pm |
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I've done a complete upgrade on mine. Replaced the kick panel speakers with some nice Alpine separates and then fitted two JBL speakers per headrest. For added bass there is subwoofer under each seat with separate controls so you can adjust them to what ever level you want. 10 speakers in total is more than enough  |
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| Capposteve |
| Posted on: Friday, July 27th, 2012, 4:27:57pm |
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| 10 speakers in a Cappo. That's a mission lol |
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| Icevid |
| Posted on: Friday, July 27th, 2012, 4:46:20pm |
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| I don't know what panel speakers I have to be honest but with them and 1 under seat subwoofer I find to have very decent sound in my cap. Much better than what I would have expected to have in such a small car. The subwoofer is a pioneer TS-WX11A |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Friday, July 27th, 2012, 11:13:07pm |
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10 speakers in a Cappo. That's a mission lol
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And you can't actually see any of them
Just remembered that after the restoration work I decided to mount the subwoofers behind the seat back rather than back underneath. Still can't be seen and doesn't make the seat any less comfortable. |
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| Capposteve |
| Posted on: Friday, July 27th, 2012, 11:44:31pm |
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| You have any pics of that Andy?? |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Friday, July 27th, 2012, 11:52:09pm |
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Of what? As I say you can't actually see any of them
I did a thread on fitting the headrest speakers though. |
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| Capposteve |
| Posted on: Friday, July 27th, 2012, 11:55:42pm |
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Show me show me. Surely you took pics of where you mounted the subs??  |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Friday, July 27th, 2012, 11:58:57pm |
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| Nope. I did for the original underseat position but not for behind the seat. They are the active enclosure type so nothing much to see. I'll dig out what pics I have got |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Saturday, July 28th, 2012, 12:11:06am |
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| mattjohns |
| Posted on: Saturday, July 28th, 2012, 8:52:39am |
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| I think Sneaza and Capgun are the ones to ask for this. |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Saturday, July 28th, 2012, 9:31:41am |
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| Gee thanks Matt! |
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| Capposteve |
| Posted on: Saturday, July 28th, 2012, 9:36:49am |
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Lmao. I have to say I do like Andys idea though of the head rest speakers. I have a pair of mk1 mx5 leather seats in the garage and they have speakers in the head rest. Might see if I can pinch them for the Capps headrest. And thes put some decent component ones down in the footwell with either 1 or 2 8" subs. What size speakers are the ones by the footwell. Can anyone remember??
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Saturday, July 28th, 2012, 9:39:02am |
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| Capposteve |
| Posted on: Saturday, July 28th, 2012, 9:42:46am |
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| grant4561 |
Posted on: Wednesday, August 1st, 2012, 12:30:20am
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I fitted rear parcel shelf speakers (enclosures made by by SNEAZA) and an active sub woofer behind the passenger seat.
Made a massive difference to the sound along with upgraded footwell speakers.
Pic with the seats out. |
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| grant4561 |
Posted on: Wednesday, August 1st, 2012, 12:31:26am
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| And seats in. |
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| verygood |
| Posted on: Wednesday, August 1st, 2012, 2:05:14am |
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Of what? As I say you can't actually see any of them
I did a thread on fitting the headrest speakers though.
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I remember that!! It was well done
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| Capposteve |
| Posted on: Wednesday, August 1st, 2012, 12:23:17pm |
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| I want that speaker box lol |
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| lord |
| Posted on: Wednesday, August 1st, 2012, 2:47:43pm |
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| Ha ha. They are good. Got my set. X |
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| mk1powah |
| Posted on: Wednesday, August 1st, 2012, 3:29:38pm |
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I got new speakers in the front with MDF rings, for the height of the new speakers.
1 sparewheel Sub in the back and 2 speakers in the headrest.
Sounds great |
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| lord |
| Posted on: Tuesday, June 11th, 2013, 1:48:54am |
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| Avar |
| Posted on: Tuesday, June 11th, 2013, 7:21:30am |
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I dont know what the size cutout those speaker enclosures have but you'l need something to complement the ones already fitted in the car.
Coax speakers are intended for a full (ish) range all in one design, component are separates with the intention of optimum position of each separate item. Given that cappo's allready have a tweeter mounted at the front and a fair to middling position for the mid range cones you have the starts of a component setup. However seeing as these speakers are gonna be pretty close to you it might be advisable to go for a coax (full range) speaker, plus i dont think that enclosure is really suited for thumping pure subs.
Its hard to get full info on speakers without trawling through the tech specs on individual manufacturers sites. An ideal speaker to complement the others in the car needs to go down to atleast 25hz , most smaller 6" speakers start to drop off at arround 70 and go no lower than 50.
I personally always swear by the JBL brand, they're always fairly truthfull when it comes to there specs and give a good honest sound for there price. I'm afraid though that what you realy need to do is head down to your local halfrauds and give the speaker board a good listen. As these speakers will be the main ones in your setup you need to ensure that your gonna be happy with the output.
Wiring wise, you can run these on the rear outputs of your head unit once you can get the loom wired up correctly in the dash. This might involve running wires directly from the head unit or if your lucky you might allready have them partially run. |
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| Crazyed |
| Posted on: Thursday, September 24th, 2015, 3:10:27pm |
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Hi Andy since you've done this on your car (back in 2012)
Are there better quality items that can be fitted?
And where did you buy all the speakers from? |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Thursday, September 24th, 2015, 7:30:48pm |
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The speaker in the front kick panel is a 6.5 inch speaker. This is typically 16.5cm. However some manufacturers apparently measure the size of a speaker differently to others, some say 16.5cm others 17cm, so if you are in any doubt take the old speaker with you to compare. The main problem you will have is with the mounting depth. A speaker with a mounting depth of less than 54mm should be OK.
Most of the big names will have something suitable. I think mine came from Car Audio Security - http://caraudiosecurity.com/ |
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| Crazyed |
| Posted on: Thursday, September 24th, 2015, 8:14:57pm |
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Thanks Andy.
How do you get on with the speakers in the headrests?
The subwoofer sits under or behind the seat? |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Thursday, September 24th, 2015, 8:36:47pm |
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You wouldn't know they were fitted apart from the sound coming fro them
My subwoofers are now behind the seats but they were originally underneath. |
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| Crazyed |
| Posted on: Friday, September 25th, 2015, 3:56:57am |
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I think I shall copy your idea of inside the headrests. I like the idea of extra speakers but extra you don't see!
What size did you fit in the headrests?
Also why did you change the position of the subwoofers ?
Did you find them more effective or was it due to space? |
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| jungleaddict |
| Posted on: Friday, September 25th, 2015, 11:56:50am |
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I don't want to seem like I am hijacking the thread, but as I have a certain amount of expertise in Car Audio, I would like to share what I know. As I'm sure many cappo owners know, you have very little option with regards to audio, space being the most restrictive factor. Yes, there are better speakers than others, but sound quality is affected much more by the enclosure you fit the speakers in. The standard baffle for the front speakers in the footwells are not ideal. Firstly they do not provide an air-tight enclosure and secondly, there is simply not enough air space for the 16.6/17cm speaker to function correctly. You can put the best speakers in the world in the standard baffle, but the result will always be a sub-standard sound. There are two ways to address this:
1) Create an Aperiodic membrane enclosure. The downside of this is that you will need to cut a hole approximately 3" in diameter in the back of the enclosure space to allow the speaker to vent. This effectively tunes the box to a desired frequency by using a certain amount of box wadding to provide some damping. Googling Aperiodic membrane enclosure should give some more technical details.
2) Create a custom made enclosure. This is the method I chose because I did not want to cut holes in my car. I started by taking a fibre glass mould of each footwell enclosure. Once I had the shape, I then made new enclosures from 3mm Mild Steel plate. Unfortunately the drivers pedal limits the size I could make the box to 5 litres, but I managed to get the passenger side enclosure up to 7 litres. Also making custom enclosures means I have brought the mounting position of each speaker further in allowing me to fit nearly any type of speaker. I now have nearly 80cm of mounting depth available. I then made the enclosures air-tight using a closed cell foam gasket between my new enclosures and the footwell.
Choosing front speakers- Even though there is so much choice of 16.5/17cm speakers, they can generally fall into 1 of 2 types of application
1) Small magnet, high sensitivity, soft cone able to play mid range frequencies as well as mid-bass. This type of speaker is what you would normally find as part of a 2 way setup as is designed to operate in a large enclosure, typically a car door. For the standard footwell position, this would not be the correct type of speaker.
2) Large magnet, low sensitivity, rigid cone designed to play only mid bass frequencies up to approximately 500Hz. As these are designed for small enclosures, this type of speaker is ideal the Cappo.
Midrange/Tweeters
Sound within this frequency range is massively affected by the angle at which each speaker is mounted as higher frequency sounds are very directional. Again we realistically have two options:
1) Dedicated midrange and dedicated tweeter separately. This setup can yield excellent results, however to get this setup to sound good, it requires quite a lot of tuning and and lot of trial and error with the mounting angles to be optimal. As there is no allowance for a mid range speaker in the standard Cappo, more custom enclosures will have to be made.
2) My preferred option - a wide band midrange/tweeter all in one speaker. It requires a lot less tuning than the normal 3 way setup and is easier to install. I have made custom enclosures for my 2" wide banders using 2mm thick mild steel plate and some steel tubing. My enclosures are shaped to fit within the 3/4 window before the A pillars. The boxes are filled with diffuser and are made the recommended enclosure volume.
Subwoofer
Just because it is a Cappo doesn't mean it can't have some serious bass! I currently have a 10" subwoofer mounted within a custom made enclosure shaped to fit in the space behind the headrests. My experience with slim underseat subwoofers is minimal, but I can almost certainly guarantee that my slim passive subwoofer hits harder than many of the active underseat subwoofers, simply because it is running off a separate amplifier.
So that's a little bit about car audio with the Cappo in mind. I could go into TS parameters and what they all mean but I will be typing forever and it may get confusing. Feel free to correct me if anything is wrong as I'm sure there is more to car audio than I know, but I have wrote this based my what I have learnt and through experience.
I have my final car audio competition of the year on Saturday. Hopefully I can do as good as the last round and get another first place. I plan to be at KKITP this year and I will be more than willing to demonstrate my cars audio. Feedback is always appreciated. If all goes well, I have a gold trophy on Sunday.
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| jungleaddict |
| Posted on: Friday, September 25th, 2015, 12:03:47pm |
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I forgot to add just in case anyone wants to know what I have installed:
Poineer DEX-P90 Head Unit
Pioneer DEQ- P90 Processor - under Driver seat
JL Audio XD700/5 5 channel Amplifier - under Passenger seat
DLS Scandinavia 6 - front speakers
CDT Audio ES-02 2" Wide band drivers
JL Audio 10TW6 10" Subwoofer
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| Crazyed |
| Posted on: Friday, September 25th, 2015, 8:54:14pm |
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Jungleaddict.
Thank you very much for all the info it's a lot to take in. I shall read it again and try and fully understand!
I would be privileged to have a tour of your sound system and get some advice from you about it at KKITP.
I'll be easy to spot out....I have a red cappuccino.
Lols thanks for the write up its extremely useful information I shall learn a lot from it.
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| Crazyed |
| Posted on: Wednesday, September 30th, 2015, 3:06:39pm |
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Jungle addict,
After seeing all your work on the weekend I was very impressed and iv been thinking of ways to improve my sound quality properly!
First I was to attempt building out my original speakers in the foot weel.
...my idea is that I buy some circular mdf spacers and build the speaker out a little so j can fit deeper speakers in ... Do you think I should try and make them bigger or will the 6.5 inch speaker be ok?
I will then build a custom sub to sit under the seat (now I no this won't have the best effect hidden under there) but I want to try and keep the standard look to the car!
I will aim to build two more speakers into the rear plastic shells in the corners but I aim to keep them as hidden as possible!
I no I won't get the best sound quality because I'm not placing them all in the best places! But I want to keep my space at as optimum high as possible! And I want to keep as good as original look as possible! |
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| jungleaddict |
| Posted on: Wednesday, September 30th, 2015, 4:59:55pm |
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I would stick to the standard 6.5" speaker size.
I would be interested in the result you will get from a custom underseat subwoofer enclosure. My only concern is how difficult it would be to find a subwoofer shallow enough. The depth you have available under the seats is approximately 60mm. Also have you thought about the installation of an amplifier?
You will definitely need one if you are to be running a subwoofer. Modern digital amplifiers are quite small and you shouldn't have a problem installing one under the other seat. You will certainly get better results running the sub from a separate amplifier than a slim underseat subwoofer with the amplifier already built in. |
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| Crazyed |
| Posted on: Wednesday, September 30th, 2015, 10:26:42pm |
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Yes I would have an a profiler on the other side under the seat!
You recon just a good set of 16.5cm speakers in the footwell?
But your limited with depth in them also! I was thinking if I get a spacer or two on there I can get a deeper speaker...or would that make no difference to the improvement ? |
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| Crazyed |
| Posted on: Wednesday, September 30th, 2015, 10:31:22pm |
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| jungleaddict |
| Posted on: Thursday, October 1st, 2015, 9:23:02am |
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You will always be better off with a normal depth speaker if you can fit them. The shallow ones are designed for ease of installation but sacrifice output as a result as their excursion (how far the cone can move) is restricted and so output is reduced. Although you will will improve the sound with better speakers, you will see a much bigger improvement if you were to able to fabricate a strong, airtight box. A £50 speaker in a correctly tuned enclosure will sound a hell of a lot better than a £500 speaker in a poorly designed enclosure. Also you need to consider the standard plastic speaker cover trim. If you want to keep the stock look you will also be limited to how thick the spacer can be if you want the trim to fit back comfortably.
That subwoofer may work. Your best bet is to get the seat out and see what sort of clearance you have. Always make allowances for the runners of the chair as well. I would be suprised if you can fit a 10" sub under the seat. If you struggle to fit that speaker may I suggest this:
http://earthquakesound.com/index.php/en/car-products/item/sws8xi
If you don't mind dropping a size to 8", this may be the one. It is very shallow and Earthquake Sound do produce good speakers. As for amplifiers:
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/pbr300x1
An ideal amplifier to power the sub. It is a very small Amplifier, but very efficient. |
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| jungleaddict |
| Posted on: Thursday, October 1st, 2015, 10:07:40am |
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| Bulletproof kimono |
| Posted on: Thursday, October 1st, 2015, 10:49:45am |
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Yippee! 
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| Crazyed |
| Posted on: Thursday, October 1st, 2015, 2:03:50pm |
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Thanks for the links and the advice!
I see a better mounted speaker is better than trying to fit a bigger speaker!
I think an 8" sub will be fine it'll add a lot more base if it's well mounted a lot better than stock |
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