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| fxdlidon |
Posted on: Saturday, September 27th, 2008, 2:26:13pm
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I've found one that fits, well sort of. It rotates the wrong way, which doesn't matter, and it needs a simple adaptor plate. It's a Weber PF09 and there used on some performance fords, lancias, and some Italian bikes. The data sheet on it is here http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?wymwlg2mgam
Pic shows the tps and the adaptor plate. Centre hole is 15mm; the next 2 out are for mounting - 52mm apart, 5mm and countersunk so the tps can fit flusht: the outer 2 are 70mm apart and threaded, 4mm, to attach the tps to. I just cut out the plate to roughly the size of the tps body. (sorry CG, I didn't bother to polish it  ) |
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| fxdlidon |
Posted on: Saturday, September 27th, 2008, 2:29:07pm
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| Adaptor plate bolted to the engine with two 4 X 10mm long countersunk screws. |
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| fxdlidon |
Posted on: Saturday, September 27th, 2008, 2:31:13pm
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| Then slide the tps on verically, as I said it's spring loaded to rotate the wrong way. I had to slacken off a bit of plumbing to make this easy. |
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| fxdlidon |
Posted on: Saturday, September 27th, 2008, 2:32:37pm
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| you can then rotate it, against the spring, to its final position and bolt it in place. |
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| fxdlidon |
Posted on: Saturday, September 27th, 2008, 2:33:35pm
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| Then put all the bits back on and connect it up. |
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| fxdlidon |
| Posted on: Saturday, September 27th, 2008, 2:40:54pm |
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The wiring is simple, all 3 wires go to the 20pin connector.
The top wire, (A on the tps) goes to red (TPS +5v)
The middle one (B) to black (TPS GND) green (TPS SIGNAL)
And the bottom one (C) to green (TPS SIGNAL) black (TPS GND)
I think this is the most common pin-out
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| fxdlidon |
| Posted on: Saturday, September 27th, 2008, 2:44:33pm |
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The connect up your lappie, start wari, and on the Analogue tab use the learn buttons in 'TPS calibration' to teach it what closed and WOT are.
Then go to the Aux In tab and set input 3 and 4 to none, we're not using them anymore. |
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| fxdlidon |
| Posted on: Saturday, September 27th, 2008, 2:47:07pm |
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First test drive was very promising - no more transient throttle issuse  . I found myself waiting for that little blip when I touched the throttle and it has gone completely! |
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| Avar |
| Posted on: Saturday, September 27th, 2008, 4:46:40pm |
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| Excellent job, gotta search for that TPS then, how thick was your adaptor plate? and did you need a new connector for the TPS or did the original one work? |
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| fxdlidon |
| Posted on: Saturday, September 27th, 2008, 7:07:16pm |
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Excellent job, gotta search for that TPS then, how thick was your adaptor plate? and did you need a new connector for the TPS or did the original one work?
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Sorry, forgot to say adaptor plate was 2.5mm aluminium and the plug is a standard ford type. I got mine here http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300257869002, but you should be able to get one from a breakers, they're fairly standard |
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| Avar |
| Posted on: Sunday, September 28th, 2008, 4:31:47pm |
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Well i've managed to source this TPS, hopefully i'll get it cheap. I wish we had more scrap yards about, it would make life so much easier, rather than having to trawl the net for parts.
New plugs are on there way too as the iridiums were not working, the fine tips foul up so quickly.
I think i've found a 3 bar sensor too, only thing i need to do now is mount my new water sensor and i'll be able to confirm the ECU is getting exactly what the meter is reading. |
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| fxdlidon |
| Posted on: Tuesday, September 30th, 2008, 12:57:00pm |
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!!! IMPORTANT !!!
I've just found out that the pin-outs on these tps's is not consistant - sometimes the signal is on pin B and sometimes on pin C - I think it depends on the vehicle it was designed for.
I haven't been able to test this but I'm fairly sure that if it's the other type to the wiring I specified above, you would get erratic tps reading in wari. If you get this swap the wires connected to B and C on the tps, this should sort it. |
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| Avar |
| Posted on: Tuesday, September 30th, 2008, 1:29:44pm |
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Well i'll soon find out, found a TPS on evil bay for 14 plus postage, exactly the same as yours but from a Lancia HF  it's winging it's way here now so hopefully have the car back up and running like a dream this weekend. |
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| fxdlidon |
| Posted on: Monday, October 6th, 2008, 8:37:42pm |
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Well I've been running with this fitted for over a week now so I guess an update's in order...
If you are going to make one mod to your setup then this is the one to do - well from my experience anyway, lets wait and see what Kei has to say. My car is running smoother right through the rev range, no transient throttle probs and the slight dip at 5000rmp under load has vanished. If Kei gets the same results then this has to be the way to go!
Only prob I had was of my own making, I was a bit lax on routing the wire and it wore through to the bare copper on one of the drive shafts - not good as the MAP sensor uses the same earth line ! But rather than go back to the original tps, which would have been simple as the wiring is still there, I found myself lying under the car in what felt like a river, (it was raining) fixing the new sender wires in the dark - I just didn't want to go back!!! |
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| Avar |
| Posted on: Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 6:25:38pm |
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We got a problem with fitting the TPS, looks like the manifold / injector rail could be different between our cars, i will post some pics later to show details.  |
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| Avar |
Posted on: Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 8:58:44pm
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| Its tight with just the plate, the fuel rail must be different on your car. |
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| Avar |
Posted on: Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 8:59:54pm
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| And i think your original sensor differs slightly. |
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| Andy |
| Posted on: Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 9:03:47pm |
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| Yep the intake manifold is completely different on the AZ-1 and so the fuel rail isn't a problem. |
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| Avar |
| Posted on: Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 9:25:09pm |
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| I think i can get around it, but will have to open up the TPS to see if i can lose a bit from the side, i only need 5mm max. The plate can be modified to fit |
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| fxdlidon |
Posted on: Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 10:01:15pm
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As Andy says, my tps is on the opposite side to the fuel rail. I had a good look last time I had my nose under a cappo bonnet and thought it would fit - sorry . The difference between the mounting holes is more likely to be down to my failing eyesight but at least that can be fixed.
Anyway, as they used to say on Blue Peter, "here's one I prepared earlier" it's 9mm from the base of the body of the sensor to the track for the pot - hope this helps. |
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| fxdlidon |
Posted on: Wednesday, October 8th, 2008, 11:32:53pm
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| In fact the whole of the area in red here can safely be removed |
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| Avar |
| Posted on: Thursday, October 9th, 2008, 7:19:30pm |
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Cheers Don, with those pics in mind i managed to cut out the small area in the way and it fits a treat. As i couldn't twist the sensor i opened the throttle fully and slotted the sensor in place
I just have to fit my new loom and no more throttle issues |
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| fxdlidon |
| Posted on: Thursday, October 9th, 2008, 8:47:28pm |
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Glad it's on now I just hope it transforms your car like it has mine!
Opened up sensor was the first one I got hold of, non - functional one from a Ducati (freebie), got it to see if it would fit but couldn't resist opening it up to have a look |
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| Avar |
| Posted on: Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 8:39:05am |
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Well it's fitted and running, apart from the fitting issues i've had no other problems, the connection was the same pin out as mentioned above.
I still am getting a little hesitation though, not in actual throttle response but on bounce back i.e if i let the rev's drop back down to idle and blip the throttle just as it hits 1100 it will try to stall. I just need to alter a few settings i'm sure, this is more noticable during fuel learning mode so it must be a a simple fueling issue.
Nearly there 
Pics to follow. |
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| fxdlidon |
| Posted on: Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 10:12:37am |
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| There's a couple of changes I made that could help here but I can't remember what they were. I'm away till tomorrow but when I get back to a sensible computer I'll post them. |
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Your probabley right about it being a fueling issue - the original setup was very rich at low map/low rpm.
These are the 2 other changes I've made:
On the corrections tab under Transient Throttle I've increased the TPS component and reduced the MAP component - I'm still playing with this, a small change every day till I get it right, but this is where I am now.
The other is on the Idle tab - Calmdown under Closed Loop Idle Control. It just slows down slightly how quickly the engine goes back to idle after blipping the throttle. |
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| Avar |
Posted on: Monday, October 13th, 2008, 5:00:16pm
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Cool i'll give them a try.
Heres the modded pre taped TPS. To fit, open the throttle to max and just slide on. |
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| Avar |
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| And fitted. |
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| Derek |
| Posted on: Saturday, October 25th, 2008, 1:14:48pm |
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Its been a while.... Good to see there's so much progress though!!!!!
Have one of those Sensors on the way hopefully also, Will let you know how it goes........
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| grant4561 |
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Received my new analogue TPS on Friday so fitted it on the weekend. It suits early 1990's Nissan 18/200SX, 300ZX and a few other models so is reasonabley easy to get and a reasonable price.
Physically the same size as the original one and takes the "D" shaped shaft. It has 2 sets of connections though. One on a lead that is the anaolgue connection and one on the body thats the digital connection, like the standard cappo one. It only has a digital output for closedor idle throttle position but I believe you get them with a WOT position as well. The rotation is the oposite direction to the standard one so when fitted tyhe digital idle postion output becomes a WOT output. |
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Posted on: Monday, January 19th, 2009, 7:40:15am
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| And a view of the original and Nissan TPS from the back. |
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| grant4561 |
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| It fits straight on the throttle body in exactly the same position as the original but the elongated mounting holes are about 1.5mm closer together on each side so need to be ground out slightly. |
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| View from the top fitted. |
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| And from the front. really easy to set up with the Adaptronics learning abaility. I only had time for a quick test drive around the block but its quite noticeable the gain in performance and extra pulling power/torque down low. As quoted above this is a must do mod. Sorry about the poor quality of the pics, I will use a proper camera next time instead of an elcheapo phone one. |
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| fxdlidon |
| Posted on: Monday, January 19th, 2009, 12:53:11pm |
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Well done Grant  that TPS looks like a good find.
Not only will you notice the difference driving but it opens up other posabilities in the Adapronic |
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| Chernoby1 |
| Posted on: Monday, January 19th, 2009, 3:43:34pm |
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Would make a hell of alot of a differance for me as im not getting a tps signal as it is 
So once i work out how much i need for uni; tps, knock sensor and a wideband oxygen sensor are a priority with the boost controller being next in line.
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| Posted on: Monday, January 19th, 2009, 8:02:46pm |
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| grant4561 |
| Posted on: Tuesday, January 20th, 2009, 12:26:45am |
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Would make a hell of alot of a differance for me as im not getting a tps signal as it is
So once i work out how much i need for uni; tps, knock sensor and a wideband oxygen sensor are a priority with the boost controller being next in line.
Oh and thanks for saving me the hassle of working out which tps is compatible and easily available in aus, might even be able to get a free one off a mate
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The Knock Sensor cost $ 52.00 delivered and the TPS was $ 45.00 delivered.
I have connected the digital WOT signal from the TPS but have disbaled it on the Adaptronic at the moment and am using just the analogue signal. I might use the digital WOT output to operate another outpiut for something else. To fit the standrad TPS plug to the new TPS you have to grind down a couple of lugs on the new TPS and the 3 pins inside need a 1mm off the sides of them.
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| Posted on: Tuesday, January 20th, 2009, 12:47:34pm |
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First thing to do is, on the Corrections tab, set Ignition Control to Closed Loop, and in 'Closed Loop Parameters' set 'Knock Level to Retard' to 4. (The original setting, 1, seems a bit over sensitive to things like duff gear shifts ect.) This will allow the knock sensor input to be used.
I found my background noise levels were still a bit low in the 4-5000rpm range and I needed to increase them by 8 - 10 to stop the knock sensor killing the ignition when I was accelerating hard in 3rd.
There's a thread here on adaptive ignition http://www.adaptronic.com.au/forum/index.php?topic=252.0 although I haven't tried it yet - I was more worried about the fueling going too weak and causing the engine to knock when I setting up the boost control. |
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| Wayne2105 |
| Posted on: Saturday, January 24th, 2009, 10:31:22pm |
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On those Nissan sensors the connector on the main body is usually throttle fully open/closed switches.
The pot connects to the flylead connector.
That's certainly the case on S13 200sx ones because that's what I used to use back in the day on S12's when I was doing management conversions on them (the S12's only had a switch as stock)
It's better to keep the sensor sealed if you can, especially if your ECU uses it as the primary load reference. I have seen several engine failures over the years that came down to a bad TPS.
The Weber sensors are opposite hands on a Fiat Croma IE to what they are on a Cosworth, FYI.
IMHO, I'd be making a nice bracket to fit a TPS from something like a BMW E36, as they are small, are used across a wide range of cars which means the dealer stocks them and they're fairly cheap to buy. |
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